By Jaime Alvarado |

Andres de Puga and Sebastiana Delgado Gabai married on May 17 1693 in Aguascalientes. Parents of the groom are not listed. Sebastiana is daughter of Joseph Delgado and Francisca Gabai. Does any one has additional information, specifically what is the relationship of Francisca to Ana Francisca Gabay, wife of Lope Ruiz de Esparza?

Jaime Alvarado

Hi Jaime, its Daniel, lets see if I can explain w/o confusing you. I have all sources if needed,

Sebastiana Delgado de Gabay casó Andrés de Puga, hija de José Delgado y Francisca (II) Navarro de Gabay utilizó el mismo apellido de su abuela. Francisca Navarro de Gabay es hija de Luís Tiscareño de Molina y Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza, quien es hija de don Lope (II) Ruiz de Esparza y Ana Francisca (I) Navarro de Gabay. Im sure youre aware about Lorenza de Esparza being used as descendants names. There's a lots of Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza, etc. So to answer your question Sebastiana would be Lope's great grandaughter, he had MANY grandchildren as you may know! I hope this helps, I think I have some stuff on Andrés but need to check! -Daniel

Daniel

I think we have the same information! If you have the matrimonial investigation of Andres de Puga and Sebastiana Delgado, how do you read Andres de Puga's father's (or mother's?) name? I have not seen a record where only a father's name is given, but it looks much more like "Antonio" than "Antonia" to me.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Hi George could you tell me exactly what page # out of ??? which film in the Aguascalientes section of the pilot site? I have a lot of experience reading the stuff on the pilot already, maybe I can take shot at it. Well the Andrés Puga is as long as he IS español he should be related to the same Pugas stated from Guadalajara. The family was originally ''de Puga y Aguilar'' they married into my d'Bourbon ancestors in Guadalajara. Im still trying to figure out the Bourbon i know theyre french obviously but no luck with tracing it further than ca. 1609.
-Daniel

Daniel, Jaime

I am going to e-mail the pages from the matrimonial investigation for Andres de Puga. It is for the year 1693, and the entry starts on folio page 136, and goes for four folio pages.

My e-mail is aol and this is sometimes a problem with large files. The images are about 2 Mb each. If you do not receive them, please let me know.

Daniel, if you can connect Andres with other de Puga families in Guadalajara, please let me know, and I will send them individually.

These files could be a start to unravel the Gabai/Navarro/Moctezuma connections! Perhaps we should start an Album for this data.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Its definately, Cosín, I was studying the priest's writing! I ran it up on family search and there is some in Spain very little though mostly in Valencia. The interesting part your right it doesnt sound spanish! There seems to be alot of COUSIJN in the Netherlands, so they could be Dutch, We got to remember the Netherlands were part of Spain along with most of Europe during th 1500-1600's. Tha Habsburgs owned most of Europe. This could explain how it got to Spain. I thought of a possibly story whats not to say Antonio (by the way its definately ANTONIO for Andrés' father. Was dutch who traveled to Méjico? New Spain had hundreds of thousands of Europeans emiigrating! Germans, Portuguese, Italians, English, French, Spaniards, Danish, etc! An example My Friend, Liliana Ford, who is a Mexican of English descent. I didnt even know English went to New Spain. According to her dad, their family arrived prior to the Mexican Independence, what interesting things come up when doing genealogy! Ill continue reading the document w/ closer detail, Its possible since Andrés was natural his mother was "de Puga." -Daniel

Daniel and Jaime

I'm glad the files came through OK; AOL can be a challenge!

I'm glad you're agreeing with my reading of these documents, I'm learning to read them!

You raise some interesting points. I have a friend who is of Portuguese descent (from the Azores), and many people there have Flemish ancestors. He verified this through a DNA test. Perhaps de Puga is of Portuguese/Fleming extraction?

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

George,

According to the Dictionary of American Family Names the surname PUGA is of
Galician origin.

Dictionary of American Family Names, Oxford University Press, ISBN
0-19-508137-4
Galician: nickname from puga 'thorn', 'prickle', probably in the figurative
sense 'sharp', 'clever'.

Bill Figueroa

Bill,
I found a webpage of the Puga family in Chile (http://www.fmlapugaenchile.cl/). The first Puga
Alferez Alonso de Puga y Novoa Lazo y Mongrovejo
arrived in Chile from Galicia in 1618.

Jaime

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George,

According to the Dictionary of American Family Names the surname PUGA is of
Galician origin.

Dictionary of American Family Names, Oxford University Press, ISBN
0-19-508137-4
Galician: nickname from puga 'thorn', 'prickle', probably in the figurative
sense 'sharp', 'clever'.

Bill Figueroa

George and Daniel,
Thanks a lot for the information about Andres and Sebastiana.George, I searched for the Informacion Matrimonial but could not find it (gave up after hitting months and years in the wrong order). Stuart, in what page of the year 1693 did you find it? I would like to download the images.

Once again,

Thanks

Jaime Alvarado

Sebastiana Delgado is the daughter of
Joseph Delgado-Gabai and Francisca
Tiscareno de Molina y Esparza, AKA
Francisca Navarro de Gabai

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Andres de Puga and Sebastiana Delgado Gabai married on May 17 1693 in Aguascalientes. Parents of the groom are not listed. Sebastiana is daughter of Joseph Delgado and Francisca Gabai. Does any one has additional information, specifically what is the relationship of Francisca to Ana Francisca Gabay, wife of Lope Ruiz de Esparza?

Jaime Alvarado

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Pilar,
I just recently stumbled with my Puga ancestral line via Andres de Puga (b. 1667) and Sebastiana Delgado Gabai. In the marriage information (1693), provided by George Fulton, Andres is listed as Espanol and the natural son of Antonio Cosin. Further, Andres' uncle, Nicolas de Puga, is listed as mulato in his 40's (44?) at the time of the wedding. Nicolas married (3 October, 1677, in Aguascalientes) Maria de Sandi, and had at least on child, Nicolas de Puga Sandi (christened 23 SEP 1685 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes) also mulato.
The timeline of Andres Thadeo de Puga and Maria Estefania appears to be latter. I found two of their children (below). The dates suggest that Andres Thadeo and Maria Estefania married around 1750, and were born around the 1730s. Accordingly, Andres Thadeo would be roughly the same age of the grandchildren of Andres de Puga and Sebastiana Delgado ( born between 1718-1738). Was Andres Thadeo his greatnephew from the line of Nicolas de Puga?

MARIA ROSALIA PUGA CALVILLO
Christening:
28 JUN 1752 Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa Del Refugio, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: ANDRES THADEO DE PUGA
Mother: MARIA ESTEFANIA CALVILLO
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.:
K601211 1747 - 1776 1094622

JOSEPH FERNANDO RAPHAEL PUGA CALBILLO
Birth: 31 MAY 1770
Christening: 03 JUN 1770 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Parents:
Father: ANDRES THADEO DE PUGA Family
Mother: MARIA ESTEFANIA CALBILLO

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.:
J604781 1767 - 1770 0299439

Hope this helps

Jaime Alvarado

Hi Jaime,
Thank you for the information! I also have Maria Rosalia and Joseph Fernando
Raphael. I have 6 more children, starting w/ Andres Antonio De Puga
Calvillo as "mulato libre", his christening on 28 dec 1747 on San Nicolas,
Zacatecas, Antonio Thadeo & Maria Calvillo are listed ad Mulatos. Then I
have Maria Rosalia born on 1752. there is the story of the twins girls, the
first one is Maria Antonia "cipanda" (light shade of brown) born on 19 of
April and Christening on the 30 of April 1765. Her sister Maria Antonia
Magdalena christening on May 3rd 1765, born 11 days before and Andres Tadeo
& Maria Calvillo are listed as "Españoles"(meaning they were white). After
then I haveJoseph Miguel Puga "mulato" born 27 sep 1758 in La Vaqueria,
Zacatecas.Next, Joseph Fernado born on 31 May 1770 "mestiso"in
Aguascalientes and the last one is Maria Eusebia De Puga born on 05 Nov 1772
in Aguascalientes, christening on 11 Nov 1772.
According to the priest who did the christening is the skin of the child was
dark, the child was "mulato" and if it was a little lighter then mestiso and
so on. I really not sure, some times the parents were "españoles" in some
actas and in other times they were "mulatos". I read Bill Figueroa email and
his is right but in this case many of the children are title different and
the parents too. I don't have the parents for Andres Thadeo Puga and Maria
Calvillo, does any of you members help me as to where I can look for it?
Thank you, Pilar
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From: "Jaime R. Alvarado"
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres de Puga and Sebastiana Delgado Gabai

>
>
> Pilar,
> I just recently stumbled with my Puga ancestral line via Andres de Puga
> (b. 1667) and Sebastiana Delgado Gabai. In the marriage information
> (1693), provided by George Fulton, Andres is listed as Espanol and the
> natural son of Antonio Cosin. Further, Andres' uncle, Nicolas de Puga, is
> listed as mulato in his 40's (44?) at the time of the wedding. Nicolas
> married (3 October, 1677, in Aguascalientes) Maria de Sandi, and had at
> least on child, Nicolas de Puga Sandi (christened 23 SEP 1685 El Sagrario,
> Aguascalientes) also mulato.
> The timeline of Andres Thadeo de Puga and Maria Estefania appears to be
> latter. I found two of their children (below). The dates suggest that
> Andres Thadeo and Maria Estefania married around 1750, and were born
> around the 1730s. Accordingly, Andres Thadeo would be roughly the same age
> of the grandchildren of Andres de Puga and Sebastiana Delgado ( born
> between 1718-1738). Was Andres Thadeo his greatnephew from the line of
> Nicolas de Puga?
>
> MARIA ROSALIA PUGA CALVILLO
> Christening:
> 28 JUN 1752 Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa Del Refugio, Zacatecas, Mexico
> Parents:
> Father: ANDRES THADEO DE PUGA
> Mother: MARIA ESTEFANIA CALVILLO
> Source Information:
> Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.:
> K601211 1747 - 1776 1094622
>
> JOSEPH FERNANDO RAPHAEL PUGA CALBILLO
> Birth: 31 MAY 1770
> Christening: 03 JUN 1770 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes,
> Mexico
> Parents:
> Father: ANDRES THADEO DE PUGA Family
> Mother: MARIA ESTEFANIA CALBILLO
>
> Source Information:
> Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.:
> J604781 1767 - 1770 0299439
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Jaime Alvarado

Bill,
Thanks very much for the info. My information regarding the children of Andres de Puga and Sebastiana Delgado coincides with yours. In fact, my line actually is that of Anna Maria and Luis de la Torre. In addition to Emiliana I also have Pedro Benito de la Torre (b.21 march 1738) and Andres de la Torre (have not been able to find his christening record). Andres de la Torre married Ana Lucrecia Macias Valadez, daughter of Nicolas Macias Valadez and Gertrudis Macias (I am stuck here).
Regarding Luis de la Torre (b. 23 Dic 1699) I have his parents as Pedro de la Torre (b. 27 march 1673) and Manuela Macias Valades. Pedro was son of Luis de la Torre and Mariana Hernadez (m. 2 feb 1652), they had at least 7 children. I have ot been able to find their marriage information to get more info about Luis and Mariana's parents (so I'm also stuck here).

Jaime

Jaime,

Mariana Hernández, aka Mariana Gutiérrez de Valdivia, was the daughter of
Juan Gutiérrez de Valdivia and Mariana Hernández. She preferred to use her
mother's name. Her mother was buried 17 Sep 1666 in Aguascalientes.
Mariana married Luis de la Torre 2 Feb 1652. Their children were Juan,
María, Luisa, Casilda, Bernarda, Pedro and Christobal de la Torre. I do not
have any info. on Luis de la Torre's parents.

Bill Figueroa

To all:

Finding information on Luis de la Torre's parent's may not be possible ...

His marriage record (which is in the Aguascalientes records at the Family Search Pilot, 2 Feb 1652) says "... Luis de la Torre espanol hijo de la iglecia ..." I am unsure about the next words, but they may be "de esta Juris ..." It continues "con Maria Hernandes espanola hija legitima de Jn Gutierres difunto y de Mariana Hernandes su muger ..."

Does this mean he was left at the Church as a baby?

His birth may have been around 1630. This puts his birth in a period were there are very, very few baptismal records, according to Family Search

The matrimonial investigations at Family SEearch Pilot start after the date of his marriages.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

George,
Hijo de la Iglesia, is likely that he was left at the Church as a baby. So I guess we will never know who were his parents. The words "de esta Juris.." most likely mean "of this jurisdiction". Now even if records were complete, often those babies will be baptized without a surname, who often was adopted later in life. Would you mind sending me the jpg?

Thanks

Jaime
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To all:

Finding information on Luis de la Torre's parent's may not be possible ...

His marriage record (which is in the Aguascalientes records at the Family Search Pilot, 2 Feb 1652) says "... Luis de la Torre espanol hijo de la iglecia ..." I am unsure about the next words, but they may be "de esta Juris ..." It continues "con Maria Hernandes espanola hija legitima de Jn Gutierres difunto y de Mariana Hernandes su muger ..."

Does this mean he was left at the Church as a baby?

His birth may have been around 1630. This puts his birth in a period were there are very, very few baptismal records, according to Family Search

The matrimonial investigations at Family SEearch Pilot start after the date of his marriages.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Hi Daniel,

I'm confused...My original question was about Maria Luisa De San Ygnacio
Gomez De Mendoza (Jalostotitilan born abt. 27 Jun 1792). Is there a link to
her marrying Candido De Aguayo, Father to Agapito De Aguayo (born
abt.1807)???

Thanks, Jaime Gonzalez

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Hi Jaime, its Daniel, lets see if I can explain w/o confusing you. I have
all sources if needed,

Sebastiana Delgado de Gabay casó Andrés de Puga, hija de José Delgado y
Francisca (II) Navarro de Gabay utilizó el mismo apellido de su abuela.
Francisca Navarro de Gabay es hija de Luís Tiscareño de Molina y Lorenza
Ruiz de Esparza, quien es hija de don Lope (II) Ruiz de Esparza y Ana
Francisca (I) Navarro de Gabay. Im sure youre aware about Lorenza de Esparza
being used as descendants names. There's a lots of Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza,
etc. So to answer your question Sebastiana would be Lope's great
grandaughter, he had MANY grandchildren as you may know! I hope this helps,
I think I have some stuff on Andrés but need to check! -Daniel

Jaime

I found the matrimonial investigation for Andres de Puga and Sebastiana Delgado.

My rather poor Spanish makes it hard to read, but I believe it says in part:

"Andres de Puga, Espanol natural de la Cuidad de Guadalaxa y vezino de esta Villa mas tiempo de ocho anos hijo natural de Antonio Cosin presco ..."

I am pretty sure it says "hijo natural de Antonio" and not "hijo natural de Antonia". I believe the last name is "Cosin" but this does not sound Spanish to me.

It continues

"con Sebastiana Delgado espanola natural y vezino desta Jurisdicion hija lexitima de Joseph Delgado difunto y de Franca Gabay y para que ..."

The others providing statements are Nicolas de Puga, Pedro (I believe, this written on the interior margin of the page so not all the letters are readable) Romo, and Diego Delgado,

The marriage record for Joseph Delgado and Francsica Gabai states ...

"Joseph Delgado nl y vecina de Pinos hijo de Diego Delgado y Jua Dias ... con Franca Gabadi nl de [I'm not sure of the next word] hija legitima de Luis de Tiscareno y Lorenza Ruis de Esparsa ... padrinos de velacion Lope Ruis de Esparza y Franca Gabadi sus abuelos y testigos ... Diego Delgado Dominga de ... y Gaspar de Palos ..."

If I read these documents correctly, this answers the question.

All of these are available at the Family Search Pilot website.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

George and Daniel,
I read the informacion matrimonial for Andres de Puga and Sebastiana Delgado. There is very valuable information there. For one thing there ages are listed,
and thus Andres was born around 1667 and Sebstiana in 1668. Also, regarding Andres, his uncle Nicolas de Puga, listed as mulato, is a witness for the groom.
Nicolas de Puga was married to Maria de Sandi (married 3 October, 1677, in Aguascalientes), got their marriage record, but have not been able to locate their marriage information.Nicolas and Maria had a, a child named Nicolas de Puga Sandi (christened 23 SEP 1685 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes) also listed as mulato. Interestingly ,
Lorenzo Ruiz de Esparza, son of Lope and Francisca Gabai, in his second marriage married Josepha de Sandi a month earlier than Nicolas and Maria. Are Maria and Joseph sisters?

Jaime

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres de Puga and Sebastiana Delgado Gabai

Jaime

I found the matrimonial investigation for Andres de Puga and Sebastiana Delgado.

My rather poor Spanish makes it hard to read, but I believe it says in part:

"Andres de Puga, Espanol natural de la Cuidad de Guadalaxa y vezino de esta Villa mas tiempo de ocho anos hijo natural de Antonio Cosin presco ..."

I am pretty sure it says "hijo natural de Antonio" and not "hijo natural de Antonia". I believe the last name is "Cosin" but this does not sound Spanish to me.

It continues

"con Sebastiana Delgado espanola natural y vezino desta Jurisdicion hija lexitima de Joseph Delgado difunto y de Franca Gabay y para que ..."

The others providing statements are Nicolas de Puga, Pedro (I believe, this written on the interior margin of the page so not all the letters are readable) Romo, and Diego Delgado,

The marriage record for Joseph Delgado and Francsica Gabai states ...

"Joseph Delgado nl y vecina de Pinos hijo de Diego Delgado y Jua Dias ... con Franca Gabadi nl de [I'm not sure of the next word] hija legitima de Luis de Tiscareno y Lorenza Ruis de Esparsa ... padrinos de velacion Lope Ruis de Esparza y Franca Gabadi sus abuelos y testigos ... Diego Delgado Dominga de ... y Gaspar de Palos ..."

If I read these documents correctly, this answers the question.

All of these are available at the Family Search Pilot website.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Maria D Felix

16 years 7 months ago

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Jaime I have a Andres Thadeo De Puga married to Maria Estefania Calvillo,
this Andres is my husband ggggggrandfather. Some of the childrens church
records are listed as "mulatos libres", which I belive the parents where
also mulatos. I am trying to find more information on Andres Thadeo De Puga
and Maria Estefania Calvillo, his dauther Maria Antonia De Puga was born in
Ojocaliente, Zacatecas and the last 3 children are born in Aguascalientes.
Let me know where I can find more information on the Puga Family.
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres de Puga and Sebastiana Delgado Gabai

> Andres de Puga and Sebastiana Delgado Gabai married on May 17 1693 in
> Aguascalientes. Parents of the groom are not listed. Sebastiana is
> daughter of Joseph Delgado and Francisca Gabai. Does any one has
> additional information, specifically what is the relationship of Francisca
> to Ana Francisca Gabay, wife of Lope Ruiz de Esparza?
>
> Jaime Alvarado

Jaime,

Early Aguascalientes records (1600-1700) indicate that most people with the
surname PUGA were mulatos, moriscos or mestizos. Obviously, their ancestors
did not arrive from Spain, but were slaves or servants who used the surname
provided by their owners or employers. The case of Andrés de Puga, married
to Sebastiana Delgado Tiscareño (aka Sebastiana Delgado Gabai) seems to be
different. His marriage information indicates that he was born in
Guadalajara, a child born out of wedlock. His descendants, five of them born
in Aguascalientes between 1694-1704, were all identified as "españoles". I
have the following children in my database:

1. Joseph Manuel b. 1694
2. María b. 1695
3. Theresa b. 1700
5. Joseph b. 1702
5. Anna María b. 1704 m. Luis de la Torre 1717. Their daughter Emiliana
Isabel de la Torre was baptized 20 July 1718 in Aguascalientes. Her
godparents were Andrés de Puga and Sebastiana Delgado.

Sebastiana Delgado was buried in Aguascalientes on 11 Aug 1735. I have no
burial info. for Andrés de Puga, but as stated in the previous paragraph, he
was still alive in 1718.

A note of caution for those researching their ancestors in Aguascalientes in
the late 1600s and early 1700s. By that time many slaves and servants had
adopted the surname of their master ("amo" or "patrón") sometimes even using
an identical first name. A classical example is the marriage of Marcos
Marín de Peñaloza, indio, and Luisa Tiscareño, india, married in
Aguascalientes ca. 1670. They had 14 children between 1670 and 1699, all
either indios or mestizos (up to the priest to decide). The children
continued using the surname Marín de Peñaloza, and married other indios or
mestizos. Marcos and Luisa were servants of the wealthy Marín de Peñaloza
and Tiscareño families. The marriage records describes them as "sirvientes
en la Hacienda del Saucillo". Anyone not extracting info. from the original
records but just using FamilySearch could easily misconstrue his family tree
because the names are identical.

Bill Figueroa

Genealogy Research