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Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I encountered when I first started researching.
I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died in 1688.
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I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book, Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas, "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.

I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could be wrong. There is nothing in the index.

Ed

I found an entry in a book that states that her maternal grandparents were
from Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Andalucía.
http://books.google.com/books?id=8rFnC58v-S8C&lpg=PA66&ots=ML5eH1V18t&d…
I finally found what you were referring to -
You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from Los
Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz. Her
great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is also the
ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named Gonzalo settled in
Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza lineage establishing the
Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/archives/2005Dec/msg00477.html

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, wrote:

> Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I
> encountered when I first started researching.
> I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in
> about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul
> 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
> Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de
> sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died
> in 1688.
> ------Original Message------
> From: ed@serros.net
> Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> ReplyTo: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> Sent: Mar 8, 2010 9:51 PM
>
> I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book,
> Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas,
> "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a
> source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of
> Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de
> Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.
>
> I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick
> look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could
> be wrong. There is nothing in the index.
>
> Ed

Thank you.
I do have gonzalo ramirez de santillana arellAno, son of diego ramirez. Santillana arellano and Ines Brenes. I have gonzalo as being born in san lucar barameda, andalucia also
Do you have any more info on diego and ines?
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-----Original Message-----
From: Armando
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:00:04
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)

I found an entry in a book that states that her maternal grandparents were
from Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Andalucía.
http://books.google.com/books?id=8rFnC58v-S8C&lpg=PA66&ots=ML5eH1V18t&d…
I finally found what you were referring to -
You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from Los
Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz. Her
great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is also the
ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named Gonzalo settled in
Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza lineage establishing the
Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/archives/2005Dec/msg00477.html

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, wrote:

> Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I
> encountered when I first started researching.
> I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in
> about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul
> 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
> Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de
> sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died
> in 1688.
> ------Original Message------
> From: ed@serros.net
> Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> ReplyTo: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> Sent: Mar 8, 2010 9:51 PM
>
> I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book,
> Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas,
> "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a
> source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of
> Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de
> Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.
>
> I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick
> look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could
> be wrong. There is nothing in the index.
>
> Ed

I have a suspicion that Gonzalo was born in New Spain
Regards,Daniel

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> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:46:20 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> Thank you.
> I do have gonzalo ramirez de santillana arellAno, son of diego ramirez. Santillana arellano and Ines Brenes. I have gonzalo as being born in san lucar barameda, andalucia also
> Do you have any more info on diego and ines?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Armando
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:00:04
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> I found an entry in a book that states that her maternal grandparents were
> from Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Andalucía.
> http://books.google.com/books?id=8rFnC58v-S8C&lpg=PA66&ots=ML5eH1V18t&d…
> I finally found what you were referring to -
> You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from Los
> Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz. Her
> great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is also the
> ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named Gonzalo settled in
> Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza lineage establishing the
> Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/archives/2005Dec/msg00477.html
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I
>> encountered when I first started researching.
>> I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in
>> about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul
>> 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
>> Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de
>> sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died
>> in 1688.
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: ed@serros.net
>> Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>> ReplyTo: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
>> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>> Sent: Mar 8, 2010 9:51 PM
>>
>> I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book,
>> Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas,
>> "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a
>> source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of
>> Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de
>> Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.
>>
>> I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick
>> look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could
>> be wrong. There is nothing in the index.
>>
>> Ed

My data shows san lucar baarameda. Coincidentally, or maybe not, That is also the place where I have been tracking another of our ancestors. That search has brought as many dissenting and disagrEeable comments among descendents as the one we have had here on our jewish connections to los altos. It is actually the same arguement but being warred in spain. Recently found documents found in a san lucar barrameda library that houses papers that have not seen the light of day for centuries show that one of ancestors had a black mother from north africa and a jewish conversa wife. People are disputing this despite the documentation. In spain they are saying that it isn't true aNd are focusing on the researchers politics and alternative lifestyle. But the docmentation is clear. The stories that were made to coverup this family secret did not really make sense since it was known that his first successes were in northen africa. His father came from a prestigious noble spanish family that intermarried repeatedly with the fernandez de hijar, ramirez arellano and other family of alfonso XI.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:51:46
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de
la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)

I have a suspicion that Gonzalo was born in New Spain
Regards,Daniel

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> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:46:20 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> Thank you.
> I do have gonzalo ramirez de santillana arellAno, son of diego ramirez. Santillana arellano and Ines Brenes. I have gonzalo as being born in san lucar barameda, andalucia also
> Do you have any more info on diego and ines?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Armando
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:00:04
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> I found an entry in a book that states that her maternal grandparents were
> from Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Andalucía.
> http://books.google.com/books?id=8rFnC58v-S8C&lpg=PA66&ots=ML5eH1V18t&d…
> I finally found what you were referring to -
> You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from Los
> Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz. Her
> great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is also the
> ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named Gonzalo settled in
> Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza lineage establishing the
> Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/archives/2005Dec/msg00477.html
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I
>> encountered when I first started researching.
>> I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in
>> about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul
>> 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
>> Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de
>> sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died
>> in 1688.
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: ed@serros.net
>> Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>> ReplyTo: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
>> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>> Sent: Mar 8, 2010 9:51 PM
>>
>> I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book,
>> Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas,
>> "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a
>> source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of
>> Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de
>> Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.
>>
>> I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick
>> look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could
>> be wrong. There is nothing in the index.
>>
>> Ed

Im a bit confused is Pedro Ramirez Santillana a sibling of Gonzalo, I had not previously knewthat Gonzalo had any siblings? How many kids did Diego and Ines have total?
Regards,Daniel
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> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:46:20 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> Thank you.
> I do have gonzalo ramirez de santillana arellAno, son of diego ramirez. Santillana arellano and Ines Brenes. I have gonzalo as being born in san lucar barameda, andalucia also
> Do you have any more info on diego and ines?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Armando
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:00:04
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> I found an entry in a book that states that her maternal grandparents were
> from Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Andalucía.
> http://books.google.com/books?id=8rFnC58v-S8C&lpg=PA66&ots=ML5eH1V18t&d…
> I finally found what you were referring to -
> You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from Los
> Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz. Her
> great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is also the
> ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named Gonzalo settled in
> Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza lineage establishing the
> Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/archives/2005Dec/msg00477.html
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I
>> encountered when I first started researching.
>> I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in
>> about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul
>> 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
>> Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de
>> sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died
>> in 1688.
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: ed@serros.net
>> Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>> ReplyTo: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
>> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>> Sent: Mar 8, 2010 9:51 PM
>>
>> I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book,
>> Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas,
>> "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a
>> source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of
>> Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de
>> Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.
>>
>> I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick
>> look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could
>> be wrong. There is nothing in the index.
>>
>> Ed

You beat me to this question. I do not have any additional information. I do recall that it was very clear that the valle de gpe casillas ancestors were related to sor juana ines de la cruz. Pedro being gonzalos brother was the last piece of that puzzle. Now we need to see if we can find a connection between diego ramirez arlellano de santillana and toribio hernandez ramirez arellano de santillana. Their descendents married almost immediately. I believe there is a connection the answer maybe in a certain library in san lucar barrameda. The papers are still being catalogued.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:16:17
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de
la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)

Im a bit confused is Pedro Ramirez Santillana a sibling of Gonzalo, I had not previously knewthat Gonzalo had any siblings? How many kids did Diego and Ines have total?
Regards,Daniel
To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease visit www.mormon.org

> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:46:20 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> Thank you.
> I do have gonzalo ramirez de santillana arellAno, son of diego ramirez. Santillana arellano and Ines Brenes. I have gonzalo as being born in san lucar barameda, andalucia also
> Do you have any more info on diego and ines?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Armando
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:00:04
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> I found an entry in a book that states that her maternal grandparents were
> from Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Andalucía.
> http://books.google.com/books?id=8rFnC58v-S8C&lpg=PA66&ots=ML5eH1V18t&d…
> I finally found what you were referring to -
> You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from Los
> Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz. Her
> great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is also the
> ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named Gonzalo settled in
> Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza lineage establishing the
> Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/archives/2005Dec/msg00477.html
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I
>> encountered when I first started researching.
>> I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in
>> about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul
>> 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
>> Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de
>> sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died
>> in 1688.
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: ed@serros.net
>> Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>> ReplyTo: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
>> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>> Sent: Mar 8, 2010 9:51 PM
>>
>> I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book,
>> Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas,
>> "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a
>> source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of
>> Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de
>> Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.
>>
>> I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick
>> look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could
>> be wrong. There is nothing in the index.
>>
>> Ed

I had come to the conclusion Hernandez de Arellano was a combo ofFernandez de Hijar and Ramirez de Arellano, noting that backin the middle ages the H and F were interchangeable. Im a bit puzzledI thought EVERY person that went to the Indies were registered?But Toribio does not show up, another possibility I thought was Toribiowas a criollo not peninsular.
Regards,Daniel

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> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:20:00 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines dela Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> You beat me to this question. I do not have any additional information. I do recall that it was very clear that the valle de gpe casillas ancestors were related to sor juana ines de la cruz. Pedro being gonzalos brother was the last piece of that puzzle. Now we need to see if we can find a connection between diego ramirez arlellano de santillana and toribio hernandez ramirez arellano de santillana. Their descendents married almost immediately. I believe there is a connection the answer maybe in a certain library in san lucar barrameda. The papers are still being catalogued.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:16:17
> To: Patty Hoyos
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de
> la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
>
> Im a bit confused is Pedro Ramirez Santillana a sibling of Gonzalo, I had not previously knewthat Gonzalo had any siblings? How many kids did Diego and Ines have total?
> Regards,Daniel
> To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease visit www.mormon.org
>
>
>
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:46:20 +0000
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> >
> > Thank you.
> > I do have gonzalo ramirez de santillana arellAno, son of diego ramirez. Santillana arellano and Ines Brenes. I have gonzalo as being born in san lucar barameda, andalucia also
> > Do you have any more info on diego and ines?
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Armando
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:00:04
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> > (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> >
> > I found an entry in a book that states that her maternal grandparents were
> > from Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Andalucía.
> > http://books.google.com/books?id=8rFnC58v-S8C&lpg=PA66&ots=ML5eH1V18t&d…
> > I finally found what you were referring to -
> > You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from Los
> > Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz. Her
> > great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is also the
> > ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named Gonzalo settled in
> > Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza lineage establishing the
> > Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/archives/2005Dec/msg00477.html
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I
> >> encountered when I first started researching.
> >> I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in
> >> about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul
> >> 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
> >> Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de
> >> sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died
> >> in 1688.
> >> ------Original Message------
> >> From: ed@serros.net
> >> Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> >> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> >> ReplyTo: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> >> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> >> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> >> Sent: Mar 8, 2010 9:51 PM
> >>
> >> I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book,
> >> Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas,
> >> "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a
> >> source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of
> >> Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de
> >> Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.
> >>
> >> I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick
> >> look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could
> >> be wrong. There is nothing in the index.
> >>
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I agree with you that Toribio is of the fernandez de hijar ramirez de arellano Hurtado de mndoza family. They intermarried repeatedly with each other and the descendents of alfonso XI through enrique the ii, fadrique and tello. I may be leaving out one of the brothers. The intermarrying continued in new spain.
Toribio is often a nickname. I know a jose heriberto that was known as Toribio.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:56:31
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana
Ines dela Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)

I had come to the conclusion Hernandez de Arellano was a combo ofFernandez de Hijar and Ramirez de Arellano, noting that backin the middle ages the H and F were interchangeable. Im a bit puzzledI thought EVERY person that went to the Indies were registered?But Toribio does not show up, another possibility I thought was Toribiowas a criollo not peninsular.
Regards,Daniel

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> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:20:00 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines dela Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> You beat me to this question. I do not have any additional information. I do recall that it was very clear that the valle de gpe casillas ancestors were related to sor juana ines de la cruz. Pedro being gonzalos brother was the last piece of that puzzle. Now we need to see if we can find a connection between diego ramirez arlellano de santillana and toribio hernandez ramirez arellano de santillana. Their descendents married almost immediately. I believe there is a connection the answer maybe in a certain library in san lucar barrameda. The papers are still being catalogued.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:16:17
> To: Patty Hoyos
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de
> la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
>
> Im a bit confused is Pedro Ramirez Santillana a sibling of Gonzalo, I had not previously knewthat Gonzalo had any siblings? How many kids did Diego and Ines have total?
> Regards,Daniel
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>
>
>
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:46:20 +0000
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> >
> > Thank you.
> > I do have gonzalo ramirez de santillana arellAno, son of diego ramirez. Santillana arellano and Ines Brenes. I have gonzalo as being born in san lucar barameda, andalucia also
> > Do you have any more info on diego and ines?
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Armando
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:00:04
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> > (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> >
> > I found an entry in a book that states that her maternal grandparents were
> > from Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Andalucía.
> > http://books.google.com/books?id=8rFnC58v-S8C&lpg=PA66&ots=ML5eH1V18t&d…
> > I finally found what you were referring to -
> > You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from Los
> > Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz. Her
> > great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is also the
> > ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named Gonzalo settled in
> > Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza lineage establishing the
> > Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/archives/2005Dec/msg00477.html
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I
> >> encountered when I first started researching.
> >> I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in
> >> about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul
> >> 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
> >> Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de
> >> sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died
> >> in 1688.
> >> ------Original Message------
> >> From: ed@serros.net
> >> Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> >> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> >> ReplyTo: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> >> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> >> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> >> Sent: Mar 8, 2010 9:51 PM
> >>
> >> I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book,
> >> Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas,
> >> "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a
> >> source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of
> >> Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de
> >> Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.
> >>
> >> I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick
> >> look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could
> >> be wrong. There is nothing in the index.
> >>
> >> Ed
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I never found any crossing of Toribio, thus I think he may be a Criollo. I also began to think Is it possible that not everyone that crossed the atlantic was evenregistered?
Regards,Daniel

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> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 02:20:17 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor JuanaInes dela Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> I agree with you that Toribio is of the fernandez de hijar ramirez de arellano Hurtado de mndoza family. They intermarried repeatedly with each other and the descendents of alfonso XI through enrique the ii, fadrique and tello. I may be leaving out one of the brothers. The intermarrying continued in new spain.
> Toribio is often a nickname. I know a jose heriberto that was known as Toribio.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:56:31
> To: Patty Hoyos
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana
> Ines dela Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
>
> I had come to the conclusion Hernandez de Arellano was a combo ofFernandez de Hijar and Ramirez de Arellano, noting that backin the middle ages the H and F were interchangeable. Im a bit puzzledI thought EVERY person that went to the Indies were registered?But Toribio does not show up, another possibility I thought was Toribiowas a criollo not peninsular.
> Regards,Daniel
>
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>
>
>
>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
>> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:20:00 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines dela Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>>
>> You beat me to this question. I do not have any additional information. I do recall that it was very clear that the valle de gpe casillas ancestors were related to sor juana ines de la cruz. Pedro being gonzalos brother was the last piece of that puzzle. Now we need to see if we can find a connection between diego ramirez arlellano de santillana and toribio hernandez ramirez arellano de santillana. Their descendents married almost immediately. I believe there is a connection the answer maybe in a certain library in san lucar barrameda. The papers are still being catalogued.
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
>> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:16:17
>> To: Patty Hoyos
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de
>> la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>>
>>
>> Im a bit confused is Pedro Ramirez Santillana a sibling of Gonzalo, I had not previously knewthat Gonzalo had any siblings? How many kids did Diego and Ines have total?
>> Regards,Daniel
>> To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease visit www.mormon.org
>>
>>
>>
>>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
>>> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:46:20 +0000
>>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> I do have gonzalo ramirez de santillana arellAno, son of diego ramirez. Santillana arellano and Ines Brenes. I have gonzalo as being born in san lucar barameda, andalucia also
>>> Do you have any more info on diego and ines?
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Armando
>>> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:00:04
>>> To:
>>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
>>> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>>>
>>> I found an entry in a book that states that her maternal grandparents were
>>> from Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Andalucía.
>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=8rFnC58v-S8C&lpg=PA66&ots=ML5eH1V18t&d…
>>> I finally found what you were referring to -
>>> You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from Los
>>> Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz. Her
>>> great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is also the
>>> ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named Gonzalo settled in
>>> Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza lineage establishing the
>>> Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.
>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/archives/2005Dec/msg00477.html
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I
>>>> encountered when I first started researching.
>>>> I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in
>>>> about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul
>>>> 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
>>>> Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de
>>>> sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died
>>>> in 1688.
>>>> ------Original Message------
>>>> From: ed@serros.net
>>>> Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>>>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>>>> ReplyTo: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
>>>> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>>>> Sent: Mar 8, 2010 9:51 PM
>>>>
>>>> I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book,
>>>> Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas,
>>>> "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a
>>>> source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of
>>>> Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de
>>>> Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.
>>>>
>>>> I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick
>>>> look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could
>>>> be wrong. There is nothing in the index.
>>>>
>>>> Ed
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Toribio was married at a time where the catholic church was attempting to stop so much intermarriage between cousins and some people hid their relationship or claimed ignorance in order to marry without having to ask for a dispensation.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:56:31
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana
Ines dela Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)

I had come to the conclusion Hernandez de Arellano was a combo ofFernandez de Hijar and Ramirez de Arellano, noting that backin the middle ages the H and F were interchangeable. Im a bit puzzledI thought EVERY person that went to the Indies were registered?But Toribio does not show up, another possibility I thought was Toribiowas a criollo not peninsular.
Regards,Daniel

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> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:20:00 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines dela Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> You beat me to this question. I do not have any additional information. I do recall that it was very clear that the valle de gpe casillas ancestors were related to sor juana ines de la cruz. Pedro being gonzalos brother was the last piece of that puzzle. Now we need to see if we can find a connection between diego ramirez arlellano de santillana and toribio hernandez ramirez arellano de santillana. Their descendents married almost immediately. I believe there is a connection the answer maybe in a certain library in san lucar barrameda. The papers are still being catalogued.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:16:17
> To: Patty Hoyos
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de
> la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
>
> Im a bit confused is Pedro Ramirez Santillana a sibling of Gonzalo, I had not previously knewthat Gonzalo had any siblings? How many kids did Diego and Ines have total?
> Regards,Daniel
> To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease visit www.mormon.org
>
>
>
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:46:20 +0000
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> >
> > Thank you.
> > I do have gonzalo ramirez de santillana arellAno, son of diego ramirez. Santillana arellano and Ines Brenes. I have gonzalo as being born in san lucar barameda, andalucia also
> > Do you have any more info on diego and ines?
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Armando
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:00:04
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> > (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> >
> > I found an entry in a book that states that her maternal grandparents were
> > from Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Andalucía.
> > http://books.google.com/books?id=8rFnC58v-S8C&lpg=PA66&ots=ML5eH1V18t&d…
> > I finally found what you were referring to -
> > You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from Los
> > Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz. Her
> > great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is also the
> > ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named Gonzalo settled in
> > Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza lineage establishing the
> > Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/archives/2005Dec/msg00477.html
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I
> >> encountered when I first started researching.
> >> I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in
> >> about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul
> >> 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
> >> Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de
> >> sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died
> >> in 1688.
> >> ------Original Message------
> >> From: ed@serros.net
> >> Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> >> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> >> ReplyTo: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> >> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> >> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> >> Sent: Mar 8, 2010 9:51 PM
> >>
> >> I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book,
> >> Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas,
> >> "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a
> >> source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of
> >> Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de
> >> Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.
> >>
> >> I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick
> >> look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could
> >> be wrong. There is nothing in the index.
> >>
> >> Ed
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Thank you again for the info. I had originally seen the claim in doing research on my casillas lines and it all fits in now since these casillas descend from gonzalo.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Armando
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:00:04
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)

I found an entry in a book that states that her maternal grandparents were
from Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Andalucía.
http://books.google.com/books?id=8rFnC58v-S8C&lpg=PA66&ots=ML5eH1V18t&d…
I finally found what you were referring to -
You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from Los
Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz. Her
great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is also the
ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named Gonzalo settled in
Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza lineage establishing the
Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/archives/2005Dec/msg00477.html

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, wrote:

> Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I
> encountered when I first started researching.
> I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in
> about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul
> 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
> Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de
> sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died
> in 1688.
> ------Original Message------
> From: ed@serros.net
> Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> ReplyTo: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> Sent: Mar 8, 2010 9:51 PM
>
> I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book,
> Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas,
> "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a
> source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of
> Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de
> Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.
>
> I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick
> look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could
> be wrong. There is nothing in the index.
>
> Ed

Dear Armando,
When you found the connection through her great grandfather I was overjoyed and stopped looking for any other connection. I made a mistake when I stopped looking for a closer connection. I recently found a closer connection as I descend from her grandfather Pedro Ramirez de Arellano Santillana. I descend from Sor Juana Ine's aunt (mom's sister).This line left many descendants in Valle de Gpe., Jalostotitlan, and Tepatitlan. This daughter of Pedro's left many descendants in this area. I also believe, because of many secondary sources pieced together, but not confirmed by a primary source, that from this line we also have Micaela Ramirez Cornejo the wife of Jose Pedro Vallejo.

Pedro Ramirez Santillana de Arellano
Ines Ramirez Santillana m to Alonso Cornejo de Gordibar Osorio
Rosa Ramirez Cornejo m. To Miguel Garcia del Castillo
Bartolome Garcia del Castillo m. To Ana Herrera y Delgadillo
Maria Manuela Victoria Garcia del Castillo m. Joseph Felipe Masedonio De La Mota Padilla Davila
Jose Remigio Anastacio Padilla m. To Maria Gertrudis Vallejo Lomelin
Maria Bernardina de Jesus Padilla m. Jose Maria Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza Suazo de Carmona
Eulogio de San Rafael Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza + Juan Jose Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza
Maria del Refugio Gomez y Gomez + Gregorio Perez De La Torre
Maria S de R Perez Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza + Nicolas Ramirez y Gomez
Juana Ramirez + Jose Prospero Perez Franco
Maria del Carmen Perez Ramirez + Jose Hermenegildo Romo Franco "don Mere"

Pedro Ramirez Santillana de Arellano
Isabel Ramirez Santillana de Arellano Brenes
Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz Ramirez de Asbaje

Pedro Ramirez Santillana de Arellano
Ines Ramirez Santillana m to Alonso Cornejo de Gordibar Osorio
Probably Micaela Ramirez Cornejo m. To Jose Pedro Vallejo
(From a compilation of secondary sources Micaela seems fit as the daughter of Ines and Alonso. still looking for a primary source to confirm)

Antonio Vallejo m. Isabel Olvera
Jose Pedro Vallejo m. Micaela Ramirez Cornejo "Gordibar Osorio"
Francisco Vallejo m. Maria Xaviera Martinez de Arcarazo
Blas Geronimo Vallejo + Maria Antonia Lomelin
Maria Gertrudis Vallejo + Jose Remigio Anastacio Padilla
Maria Bernardina de Jesus Padilla + Jose Maria Gomez Suazo de Carmona
Eulogio de San Rafael Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza + Juan Jose Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza
Maria del Refugio Gomez y Gomez + Gregorio Perez De La Torre
Maria S de R Perez Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza + Nicolas Ramirez y Gomez
Juana Ramirez + Jose Prospero Perez Franco
Maria del Carmen Perez Ramirez + Jose Hermenegildo Romo Franco "don Mere"

Please let me know if you find an error.
R.A.Ricci

Saul Navarro
I have a connection to Maria Manuela Victoria married to Joseph Masedonio De La Mota Padilla Davila. I descend from their daughter Juaquina Manuela Padilla married in Nochistlan on 20th of Nov. 1764 to Jose Ygnacio Martin Del Campo. So, thanks for the information provided above and for 4 new generations. S. Navarro

You're welcome Saul. I was hoping to find relatives from this line. I kept checking to see if someone would respond to this post. May I please have more information on your line so that I may add it to my database. Many of my lines are intertwined. This branch of my family that I posted is more isolated from my other lines and includes some ancestors that are unique such as the Garcia de Castillo line, the Diaz de Nariz line, and the Suazo de Carmona line. I have a little more info (notes) to share on these lines that I provided. I also have more generations to add. One of these ancestors was a carpenter and built for Hernan Cortez.

There were many Jose Ygnacio Martin del Campos. Who are his parents? I also have many Martin del Campo lines.
I look forward to discussing our research.
Sincerely,
R.A.Ricci

Saul Navarro

These are my family lines to Jph Phelipe Padilla

Jose Ygnacio Martin Del Campo marr Joaquina Padilla

Maria Ygnacia Martinez marr Joseph Pioquinto Garcia

Guadalupe Garcia marr Ramon Quesada

Jose Reyes Garcia marr Margarita de San Francisco Quesada

Presiliano Garcia marr Macedonia Gutierrez

Maria Catalina Garcia marr Jose Anastacio Navarro

Jose Navarro marr Petra Arambulo

Me Saul Navarro

I also Connect to Lazaro Martin Del Campo married to Maria Lopez de La Cruz thru their daughter married to Diego Marquez de los Olivos.

Saludos Víctor,

Como desciendes de los Suazo Carmona y Velázquez De Lara?

Gracias,
Ricardo A. Ricci

Dear Saul Navarro,

I have located primary documents that were transferred to the Library of Congress here in the United States and the University of Aberdeen in Scotland, United Kingdom that are said to contain much information on the ancestral lineage of Maria Manuela Victoria Garcia del Castillo, wife of Joseph Felipe Masedonio De La Mota Padilla Davila. The records show descent from the Osorio family in Spain from the 1200’s.

Rick A. Ricci

In my search to find the connections between the three different Ramírez families, I have found more pieces to the puzzle. But adding more pieces has brought more questions. There is a deliberate attempt it seems to cloud the identity of Juana ynes de Cruz's father's family. and there is a record that shows a different father. The research that I have done on this family will be included with my research on Toribio Hernandez Arellano.

Hola Ricardo:

La familia Ramírez de Arellano es la rama principal de la casa y solar Ramírez de la Piscina, esta rama se distinguió por tener cargos públicos en diferentes etapas.

En Nueva España destacaron Don Tristán de Luna y Arellano y Don Carlos de Luna y Arellano, Mariscales. Sus descendientes fueron propietarios de la hacienda la Erre en Dolores Hidalgo, Guanajuato, un gran latifundio que puedes conocer el página ruelsa.com

Para llevar a cabo sus funciones administrativas se auxiliaron de varias familias judías, que en determinado momento se vieron forzadas a convertirse al cristianismo y tomaron el apellido Ramírez. Ambas familias estaban juntas en diferentes lugares y épocas y por eso pueden confundirse, pero estos Ramírez judíos no utilizaban la parte "de Arellano".

Para saber con detalle los nombres, fechas etc. Puedes asomarte a la historia del escritor Juan Ramírez de Lucena, de la rama judía.

Saludos

Marcelina

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