By arturoramos |

Joseph, et al:

I am sorry that I never got around to going to look at these records. I know that a number of you had requested that I look up records for you. I believe that my grandfather is in these records as well.

Are you going to come up to DC and look through these Joseph? If so when? Perhaps I can join you. Anyone else who wants records looked up please let us know.

Joseph, we will have to contact the librarian listed in the message and let her know when we will be there as they will have to take the film out of a vault or something as it is not in the regular film drawers.

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From: Joseph Puentes
Date: Fri Jun 09 01:43:53 CDT 2006
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] El Paso, Texas Border crossing records

Now this might not be too much help but awhile back Arturo Ramos posted this message and it might be appropriate to revive it. I know the next time I have some research time in DC this is the material I plan to study. The 1920 Census records for my Puentes family indicates they crossed in 1911. . .I'm hoping they are on this material. You never know but maybe this film can be copied and distributed to some of the other NARA branches in the US.

joseph

Arturo,

I am one that had made a request of you for look-ups at your NARA. In the meantime, I wrote to Suzanne Harris and she is currently trying to find that information for me on my father, Guadalupe Olague who came to Colorado through El Paso in 1913. She had no information on my husband's grandfather, Primitivo Garcia or his great-grandfather Simon Garcia who came to El Paso around 1895. She said the records she has do not go back that far. Apparently the records only go back to 1906 (for El Paso, TX and Columbus, NM crossings).

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

Emilie:

That is great to hear that Suzanne has been so helpful. Had I known that she would look up records I would have made my request to her as well. I do plan to get down there sometime soon... though beach weather is here and I have started spending my free weekends away from the sultry confines of Washington DC.

If there is anyone else who has an ancestor that crossed through El Paso during those "unpublished" years of 1906 through 1924, please let us know.

Arturo,

Yes, Suzanne has been very nice. She had me download the Freedom of Information Act/Privacy Act Request form (G-639) from the internet and complete them and mail them to her at NARA, FOIA/PA, 700 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington DC, 2048-0001. She asked only for a copy of my driver's license to verify my signature.

When she said she had no information on the "Application for Registry of an Alien" forms (N105 - old form 659) that had to be filed by all aliens under the Nationality Act of 1940 (to find all German aliens mostly prior to our entry in WWII), she said I had to complete the FOIA/PA forms and send them to USCIS, FOIA/PA, 111 Massachusetts Ave NW, 2nd Floor, Washington DC 20529. I will have to get my ID and signature notarized for those. I will do this for those people for whom she finds no earlier crossing records. She has not asked for a fee, but might if she finds something.

In these Applications for Registry of Alien forms, the alien had to testify that he believed there was no record showing where and when he had originally entered the country and that he was now a lawful permanent resident and that they were requesting that a record of registry of their arrival be made. They had to appear in person at the nearest district INS office with three photographs and a money order for $18.00 (a fortune in that time) and any documents proving their residence in the United States and good character (letters of reference, I suppose).

On the application form (a copy of which I obtained from another Ranchos obtained from her grandfather's effects) they had to provide the date of entry, name at birth, name under which entered the US, current occupation, race, last place of residence before entry, date of arrival, at which port, on which vessel or type of conveyance, birthplace, date of birth, destination, whom they would join, plans to remain, by whom accompanied, present name used, present residence, occupation, height, complexion, hair color, visible distinctive marks, nationality, and sex. The application does not ask for parents' names unfortunately, but it does ask who accompanied them, so that would be a clue.

The beaches here are still cold and rainy, so I remain indoors with my sweat suit on, envying your beach time.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

Corrine Ardoin

18 years 3 months ago

Permalink

Hi, Everyone:

I have been perusing Ancestry.com's Border Crossing Records, thanks to a
friend. I have found a wealth of previously unknown information about my
Martin del Campo ancestors through these records. Some of the records,
unfortunately, are very small on the screen. I have been able to make them
larger, in some cases, but some are not workable. I don't know why Ancestry
did it that way, but, nevertheless, I have found some great information,
some records even have photos!

For instance, my mother's family had always held to the story that her
mother, Magdalena Martin del Campo had crossed the border with her Aunt
Dolores Martin del Campo, and grandmother, Rita Robles Rivera (Martin del
Campo). Well, in the records, I found that Dolores, my great-great Aunt
Lola (photos all provided in the albums), had crossed alone in 1920, while
my grandmother had crossed with her whole family, parents and
siblings, later on in 1923. When Rita Robles Rivera crossed, I don't know,
but I am beginning to think she never had, that that was part of the
originally held family belief. I have not been able to find her in Los
Angeles census records, though my mother insists she lived there and should
be on the 1930 census and had shared a house with my Aunt Lola, but I have
searched page by page in the census and have given up, for now. My mother
says she also died in Los Angeles, in 1935.

Well, since I have found these wonderful border crossing records, I
discovered a brother of Lola's, a Juan Martin del Campo, who lived in El
Paso. I also found a Alfredo Garza-Trevino in Juarez, who was an uncle of
my grandmother's, who must have been married to one of her mother's sisters,
one of the Cabral's. It has been so interesting to see their signatures,
photos, notes on identifying marks, such as scars, etc., their occupations,
even addresses of relatives. It gave Lola's birthplace, Lagos de Moreno,
Jalisco, which helps me with her brother's birthplace, Alberto Martin del
Campo, my great great grandfather whom I only had a brithplace of "Lagos."
So, now I know it was probably Lagos de Moreno, not San Juan de los Lagos,
as I put on my ancestral chart. So, there are lots of changes and
corrections and new information to add to my chart.

I encourage everyone who hasn't done so already to check out these records
if your ancestors had crossed the border into the U.S. It is worth the time
to find out information that just might help in your area of research, like
it has for me.

*One question I do have*, if anyone might know the answer, is if you know
about the "Manifest" forms these records were kept on. How were these
used? I mean, were they held onto by the person who crossed for whenever
they crossed again, or by the immigration office? The reason I am asking is
that my grandmother's 1923 Manifest record has some very interesting notes
written on the back of it, dated 1930. It would be a mini jackpot for me,
if I could get these notations clarified. A family story is that her and my
grandfather had married, moved to Detroit, had two children, then went to
Guadalajara when my grandmother was pregnant with my mother. My mother was
supposedly born there in 1931. After a year, they returned to Los Angeles.
I have not been able to find them in the U.S. census for 1930 anywhere. I
have not been able to find a record of my grandparent's marriage anywhere.
I have not been able to find a record of my mother's birth anywhere. But,
lo and behold, on the back of my grandmother's initial border crossing
record, there are these notations dated by a stamp DEC 3, 1930, giving the
names and ages of the two eldest children, born in Detroit, Michigan. They
were both born before the date stamped on the back of this Manifest record.
So, I'm wondering many things. First of all, why were these notes made on
this particular record? Are they of another time my grandmother crossed the
border *into *Mexico, just as the family story goes, when my grandmother
would definitely have been pregnant with my mother? If so, then this would
verify the family story and I would need to keep looking for census records
of them. If it is of when they crossed *back into* the U.S., then that
would change things entirely. I have not found a border crossing record
of my mother, her siblings, or her parents crossing, except what for these
mysterious notations.

So, if anyone knows how these records worked, I would really appreciate
getting this clarified.

Corrine Ardoin
With the family mystery hystery

Dear Corrine and all:
Congratulations on your successes! I have also found some information on great aunts and uncles. I also located my parents and older siblings crossing info. A word of caution: My parents had always said that they expedited their crossing with a "mordida" that allowed them to go on record as all having been born in Monterrey. (I have no idea what difference that made.) Sure enough, it is stated on the crossing document that each member of my family was born in Monterrey. In fact, only my father was from Monterrey, my mom was from Zacatecas, and my siblings from Torreon! You did what you needed to do. Take care and continued success. Alice

--- corrine@ardoin.us wrote:

From: "Corrine Ardoin"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Border Crossing Records
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:28:55 -0700

Hi, Everyone:

I have been perusing Ancestry.com's Border Crossing Records, thanks to a
friend. I have found a wealth of previously unknown information about my
Martin del Campo ancestors through these records. Some of the records,
unfortunately, are very small on the screen. I have been able to make them
larger, in some cases, but some are not workable. I don't know why Ancestry
did it that way, but, nevertheless, I have found some great information,
some records even have photos!

For instance, my mother's family had always held to the story that her
mother, Magdalena Martin del Campo had crossed the border with her Aunt
Dolores Martin del Campo, and grandmother, Rita Robles Rivera (Martin del
Campo). Well, in the records, I found that Dolores, my great-great Aunt
Lola (photos all provided in the albums), had crossed alone in 1920, while
my grandmother had crossed with her whole family, parents and
siblings, later on in 1923. When Rita Robles Rivera crossed, I don't know,
but I am beginning to think she never had, that that was part of the
originally held family belief. I have not been able to find her in Los
Angeles census records, though my mother insists she lived there and should
be on the 1930 census and had shared a house with my Aunt Lola, but I have
searched page by page in the census and have given up, for now. My mother
says she also died in Los Angeles, in 1935.

Well, since I have found these wonderful border crossing records, I
discovered a brother of Lola's, a Juan Martin del Campo, who lived in El
Paso. I also found a Alfredo Garza-Trevino in Juarez, who was an uncle of
my grandmother's, who must have been married to one of her mother's sisters,
one of the Cabral's. It has been so interesting to see their signatures,
photos, notes on identifying marks, such as scars, etc., their occupations,
even addresses of relatives. It gave Lola's birthplace, Lagos de Moreno,
Jalisco, which helps me with her brother's birthplace, Alberto Martin del
Campo, my great great grandfather whom I only had a brithplace of "Lagos."
So, now I know it was probably Lagos de Moreno, not San Juan de los Lagos,
as I put on my ancestral chart. So, there are lots of changes and
corrections and new information to add to my chart.

I encourage everyone who hasn't done so already to check out these records
if your ancestors had crossed the border into the U.S. It is worth the time
to find out information that just might help in your area of research, like
it has for me.

*One question I do have*, if anyone might know the answer, is if you know
about the "Manifest" forms these records were kept on. How were these
used? I mean, were they held onto by the person who crossed for whenever
they crossed again, or by the immigration office? The reason I am asking is
that my grandmother's 1923 Manifest record has some very interesting notes
written on the back of it, dated 1930. It would be a mini jackpot for me,
if I could get these notations clarified. A family story is that her and my
grandfather had married, moved to Detroit, had two children, then went to
Guadalajara when my grandmother was pregnant with my mother. My mother was
supposedly born there in 1931. After a year, they returned to Los Angeles.
I have not been able to find them in the U.S. census for 1930 anywhere. I
have not been able to find a record of my grandparent's marriage anywhere.
I have not been able to find a record of my mother's birth anywhere. But,
lo and behold, on the back of my grandmother's initial border crossing
record, there are these notations dated by a stamp DEC 3, 1930, giving the
names and ages of the two eldest children, born in Detroit, Michigan. They
were both born before the date stamped on the back of this Manifest record.
So, I'm wondering many things. First of all, why were these notes made on
this particular record? Are they of another time my grandmother crossed the
border *into *Mexico, just as the family story goes, when my grandmother
would definitely have been pregnant with my mother? If so, then this would
verify the family story and I would need to keep looking for census records
of them. If it is of when they crossed *back into* the U.S., then that
would change things entirely. I have not found a border crossing record
of my mother, her siblings, or her parents crossing, except what for these
mysterious notations.

So, if anyone knows how these records worked, I would really appreciate
getting this clarified.

Corrine Ardoin
With the family mystery hystery

Alice,

I see you have been successful in getting into the website for the border crossing information. It sounds great! Was that on Ancestry.com . I tried gettting into a website that a member had given on Ranchos, but read that due to the sheer volume, it was not possible to get them on line???????????

Thanks for any information you give me.

Juanita

AliceBB wrote:
Dear Corrine and all:
Congratulations on your successes! I have also found some information on great aunts and uncles. I also located my parents and older siblings crossing info. A word of caution: My parents had always said that they expedited their crossing with a "mordida" that allowed them to go on record as all having been born in Monterrey. (I have no idea what difference that made.) Sure enough, it is stated on the crossing document that each member of my family was born in Monterrey. In fact, only my father was from Monterrey, my mom was from Zacatecas, and my siblings from Torreon! You did what you needed to do. Take care and continued success. Alice

--- corrine@ardoin.us wrote:

From: "Corrine Ardoin"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Border Crossing Records
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:28:55 -0700

Hi, Everyone:

I have been perusing Ancestry.com's Border Crossing Records, thanks to a
friend. I have found a wealth of previously unknown information about my
Martin del Campo ancestors through these records. Some of the records,
unfortunately, are very small on the screen. I have been able to make them
larger, in some cases, but some are not workable. I don't know why Ancestry
did it that way, but, nevertheless, I have found some great information,
some records even have photos!

For instance, my mother's family had always held to the story that her
mother, Magdalena Martin del Campo had crossed the border with her Aunt
Dolores Martin del Campo, and grandmother, Rita Robles Rivera (Martin del
Campo). Well, in the records, I found that Dolores, my great-great Aunt
Lola (photos all provided in the albums), had crossed alone in 1920, while
my grandmother had crossed with her whole family, parents and
siblings, later on in 1923. When Rita Robles Rivera crossed, I don't know,
but I am beginning to think she never had, that that was part of the
originally held family belief. I have not been able to find her in Los
Angeles census records, though my mother insists she lived there and should
be on the 1930 census and had shared a house with my Aunt Lola, but I have
searched page by page in the census and have given up, for now. My mother
says she also died in Los Angeles, in 1935.

Well, since I have found these wonderful border crossing records, I
discovered a brother of Lola's, a Juan Martin del Campo, who lived in El
Paso. I also found a Alfredo Garza-Trevino in Juarez, who was an uncle of
my grandmother's, who must have been married to one of her mother's sisters,
one of the Cabral's. It has been so interesting to see their signatures,
photos, notes on identifying marks, such as scars, etc., their occupations,
even addresses of relatives. It gave Lola's birthplace, Lagos de Moreno,
Jalisco, which helps me with her brother's birthplace, Alberto Martin del
Campo, my great great grandfather whom I only had a brithplace of "Lagos."
So, now I know it was probably Lagos de Moreno, not San Juan de los Lagos,
as I put on my ancestral chart. So, there are lots of changes and
corrections and new information to add to my chart.

I encourage everyone who hasn't done so already to check out these records
if your ancestors had crossed the border into the U.S. It is worth the time
to find out information that just might help in your area of research, like
it has for me.

*One question I do have*, if anyone might know the answer, is if you know
about the "Manifest" forms these records were kept on. How were these
used? I mean, were they held onto by the person who crossed for whenever
they crossed again, or by the immigration office? The reason I am asking is
that my grandmother's 1923 Manifest record has some very interesting notes
written on the back of it, dated 1930. It would be a mini jackpot for me,
if I could get these notations clarified. A family story is that her and my
grandfather had married, moved to Detroit, had two children, then went to
Guadalajara when my grandmother was pregnant with my mother. My mother was
supposedly born there in 1931. After a year, they returned to Los Angeles.
I have not been able to find them in the U.S. census for 1930 anywhere. I
have not been able to find a record of my grandparent's marriage anywhere.
I have not been able to find a record of my mother's birth anywhere. But,
lo and behold, on the back of my grandmother's initial border crossing
record, there are these notations dated by a stamp DEC 3, 1930, giving the
names and ages of the two eldest children, born in Detroit, Michigan. They
were both born before the date stamped on the back of this Manifest record.
So, I'm wondering many things. First of all, why were these notes made on
this particular record? Are they of another time my grandmother crossed the
border *into *Mexico, just as the family story goes, when my grandmother
would definitely have been pregnant with my mother? If so, then this would
verify the family story and I would need to keep looking for census records
of them. If it is of when they crossed *back into* the U.S., then that
would change things entirely. I have not found a border crossing record
of my mother, her siblings, or her parents crossing, except what for these
mysterious notations.

So, if anyone knows how these records worked, I would really appreciate
getting this clarified.

Corrine Ardoin
With the family mystery hystery

Good Evening Juanita,
Yes, I went to the Ancestry.com website clicked Search, then on the far right side there is a listing for Immigration crossings, just below click the "more" link. On the following page where your enter the last name, it also says "Keyword", I entered "Mexican border", then clicked search. That's how I did it. As always, be aware or mispelled names. I found several misspelled family names including my mother Enedina Onate was listed as "Pardina Onate". Hope it works for you. Take care and good luck. Alice

--- missjuanni13@yahoo.com wrote:

From: juanita delgado
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Border Crossing Records
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:24:30 -0700 (PDT)

Alice,

I see you have been successful in getting into the website for the border crossing information. It sounds great! Was that on Ancestry.com . I tried gettting into a website that a member had given on Ranchos, but read that due to the sheer volume, it was not possible to get them on line???????????

Thanks for any information you give me.

Juanita

AliceBB wrote:
Dear Corrine and all:
Congratulations on your successes! I have also found some information on great aunts and uncles. I also located my parents and older siblings crossing info. A word of caution: My parents had always said that they expedited their crossing with a "mordida" that allowed them to go on record as all having been born in Monterrey. (I have no idea what difference that made.) Sure enough, it is stated on the crossing document that each member of my family was born in Monterrey. In fact, only my father was from Monterrey, my mom was from Zacatecas, and my siblings from Torreon! You did what you needed to do. Take care and continued success. Alice

--- corrine@ardoin.us wrote:

From: "Corrine Ardoin"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Border Crossing Records
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:28:55 -0700

Hi, Everyone:

I have been perusing Ancestry.com's Border Crossing Records, thanks to a
friend. I have found a wealth of previously unknown information about my
Martin del Campo ancestors through these records. Some of the records,
unfortunately, are very small on the screen. I have been able to make them
larger, in some cases, but some are not workable. I don't know why Ancestry
did it that way, but, nevertheless, I have found some great information,
some records even have photos!

For instance, my mother's family had always held to the story that her
mother, Magdalena Martin del Campo had crossed the border with her Aunt
Dolores Martin del Campo, and grandmother, Rita Robles Rivera (Martin del
Campo). Well, in the records, I found that Dolores, my great-great Aunt
Lola (photos all provided in the albums), had crossed alone in 1920, while
my grandmother had crossed with her whole family, parents and
siblings, later on in 1923. When Rita Robles Rivera crossed, I don't know,
but I am beginning to think she never had, that that was part of the
originally held family belief. I have not been able to find her in Los
Angeles census records, though my mother insists she lived there and should
be on the 1930 census and had shared a house with my Aunt Lola, but I have
searched page by page in the census and have given up, for now. My mother
says she also died in Los Angeles, in 1935.

Well, since I have found these wonderful border crossing records, I
discovered a brother of Lola's, a Juan Martin del Campo, who lived in El
Paso. I also found a Alfredo Garza-Trevino in Juarez, who was an uncle of
my grandmother's, who must have been married to one of her mother's sisters,
one of the Cabral's. It has been so interesting to see their signatures,
photos, notes on identifying marks, such as scars, etc., their occupations,
even addresses of relatives. It gave Lola's birthplace, Lagos de Moreno,
Jalisco, which helps me with her brother's birthplace, Alberto Martin del
Campo, my great great grandfather whom I only had a brithplace of "Lagos."
So, now I know it was probably Lagos de Moreno, not San Juan de los Lagos,
as I put on my ancestral chart. So, there are lots of changes and
corrections and new information to add to my chart.

I encourage everyone who hasn't done so already to check out these records
if your ancestors had crossed the border into the U.S. It is worth the time
to find out information that just might help in your area of research, like
it has for me.

*One question I do have*, if anyone might know the answer, is if you know
about the "Manifest" forms these records were kept on. How were these
used? I mean, were they held onto by the person who crossed for whenever
they crossed again, or by the immigration office? The reason I am asking is
that my grandmother's 1923 Manifest record has some very interesting notes
written on the back of it, dated 1930. It would be a mini jackpot for me,
if I could get these notations clarified. A family story is that her and my
grandfather had married, moved to Detroit, had two children, then went to
Guadalajara when my grandmother was pregnant with my mother. My mother was
supposedly born there in 1931. After a year, they returned to Los Angeles.
I have not been able to find them in the U.S. census for 1930 anywhere. I
have not been able to find a record of my grandparent's marriage anywhere.
I have not been able to find a record of my mother's birth anywhere. But,
lo and behold, on the back of my grandmother's initial border crossing
record, there are these notations dated by a stamp DEC 3, 1930, giving the
names and ages of the two eldest children, born in Detroit, Michigan. They
were both born before the date stamped on the back of this Manifest record.
So, I'm wondering many things. First of all, why were these notes made on
this particular record? Are they of another time my grandmother crossed the
border *into *Mexico, just as the family story goes, when my grandmother
would definitely have been pregnant with my mother? If so, then this would
verify the family story and I would need to keep looking for census records
of them. If it is of when they crossed *back into* the U.S., then that
would change things entirely. I have not found a border crossing record
of my mother, her siblings, or her parents crossing, except what for these
mysterious notations.

So, if anyone knows how these records worked, I would really appreciate
getting this clarified.

Corrine Ardoin
With the family mystery hystery

Alice,

Thank you so very much for the instructions. I am so excited when I see these "newer" ways to find information.

Wish my library had Ancestry in their research room. We pay enough taxes, don't we?

I may have told you, I met this "primo" that is associated with SAGA, and through his database was able to put in the information I had researched on both my family and my late husband's, and he traced us back to El Cid!!!!!!!!, so I have pretty much "finished" what I had started out to do, bound the booklets, and gave them to my children.It appears that documentation on the settlers that came to Nuevo Santander with De Escandon is pretty much available, and many people have done indepth research on some of the more prominent names. Here on the border there are very good resources, such as the LDS in Harlingen, the UTPA at Edinburg and the Corpus Chirsti library.

However, there are still a lot of "loose ends", such as documents of births, marriages, deaths, that I would like to bind in a separate booklet, so I am very much in the "researching" mood.

With best regards,

Juanita

Good Evening Juanita,
Yes, I went to the Ancestry.com website clicked Search, then on the far right side there is a listing for Immigration crossings, just below click the "more" link. On the following page where your enter the last name, it also says "Keyword", I entered "Mexican border", then clicked search. That's how I did it. As always, be aware or mispelled names. I found several misspelled family names including my mother Enedina Onate was listed as "Pardina Onate". Hope it works for you. Take care and good luck. Alice

--- missjuanni13@yahoo.com wrote:

From: juanita delgado
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Border Crossing Records
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:24:30 -0700 (PDT)

Alice,

I see you have been successful in getting into the website for the border crossing information. It sounds great! Was that on Ancestry.com . I tried gettting into a website that a member had given on Ranchos, but read that due to the sheer volume, it was not possible to get them on line???????????

Thanks for any information you give me.

Juanita

AliceBB wrote:
Dear Corrine and all:
Congratulations on your successes! I have also found some information on great aunts and uncles. I also located my parents and older siblings crossing info. A word of caution: My parents had always said that they expedited their crossing with a "mordida" that allowed them to go on record as all having been born in Monterrey. (I have no idea what difference that made.) Sure enough, it is stated on the crossing document that each member of my family was born in Monterrey. In fact, only my father was from Monterrey, my mom was from Zacatecas, and my siblings from Torreon! You did what you needed to do. Take care and continued success. Alice

--- corrine@ardoin.us wrote:

From: "Corrine Ardoin"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Border Crossing Records
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:28:55 -0700

Hi, Everyone:

I have been perusing Ancestry.com's Border Crossing Records, thanks to a
friend. I have found a wealth of previously unknown information about my
Martin del Campo ancestors through these records. Some of the records,
unfortunately, are very small on the screen. I have been able to make them
larger, in some cases, but some are not workable. I don't know why Ancestry
did it that way, but, nevertheless, I have found some great information,
some records even have photos!

For instance, my mother's family had always held to the story that her
mother, Magdalena Martin del Campo had crossed the border with her Aunt
Dolores Martin del Campo, and grandmother, Rita Robles Rivera (Martin del
Campo). Well, in the records, I found that Dolores, my great-great Aunt
Lola (photos all provided in the albums), had crossed alone in 1920, while
my grandmother had crossed with her whole family, parents and
siblings, later on in 1923. When Rita Robles Rivera crossed, I don't know,
but I am beginning to think she never had, that that was part of the
originally held family belief. I have not been able to find her in Los
Angeles census records, though my mother insists she lived there and should
be on the 1930 census and had shared a house with my Aunt Lola, but I have
searched page by page in the census and have given up, for now. My mother
says she also died in Los Angeles, in 1935.

Well, since I have found these wonderful border crossing records, I
discovered a brother of Lola's, a Juan Martin del Campo, who lived in El
Paso. I also found a Alfredo Garza-Trevino in Juarez, who was an uncle of
my grandmother's, who must have been married to one of her mother's sisters,
one of the Cabral's. It has been so interesting to see their signatures,
photos, notes on identifying marks, such as scars, etc., their occupations,
even addresses of relatives. It gave Lola's birthplace, Lagos de Moreno,
Jalisco, which helps me with her brother's birthplace, Alberto Martin del
Campo, my great great grandfather whom I only had a brithplace of "Lagos."
So, now I know it was probably Lagos de Moreno, not San Juan de los Lagos,
as I put on my ancestral chart. So, there are lots of changes and
corrections and new information to add to my chart.

I encourage everyone who hasn't done so already to check out these records
if your ancestors had crossed the border into the U.S. It is worth the time
to find out information that just might help in your area of research, like
it has for me.

*One question I do have*, if anyone might know the answer, is if you know
about the "Manifest" forms these records were kept on. How were these
used? I mean, were they held onto by the person who crossed for whenever
they crossed again, or by the immigration office? The reason I am asking is
that my grandmother's 1923 Manifest record has some very interesting notes
written on the back of it, dated 1930. It would be a mini jackpot for me,
if I could get these notations clarified. A family story is that her and my
grandfather had married, moved to Detroit, had two children, then went to
Guadalajara when my grandmother was pregnant with my mother. My mother was
supposedly born there in 1931. After a year, they returned to Los Angeles.
I have not been able to find them in the U.S. census for 1930 anywhere. I
have not been able to find a record of my grandparent's marriage anywhere.
I have not been able to find a record of my mother's birth anywhere. But,
lo and behold, on the back of my grandmother's initial border crossing
record, there are these notations dated by a stamp DEC 3, 1930, giving the
names and ages of the two eldest children, born in Detroit, Michigan. They
were both born before the date stamped on the back of this Manifest record.
So, I'm wondering many things. First of all, why were these notes made on
this particular record? Are they of another time my grandmother crossed the
border *into *Mexico, just as the family story goes, when my grandmother
would definitely have been pregnant with my mother? If so, then this would
verify the family story and I would need to keep looking for census records
of them. If it is of when they crossed *back into* the U.S., then that
would change things entirely. I have not found a border crossing record
of my mother, her siblings, or her parents crossing, except what for these
mysterious notations.

So, if anyone knows how these records worked, I would really appreciate
getting this clarified.

Corrine Ardoin
With the family mystery hystery

Wow Emilie thanks for the information. It's good to hear from you. I'm
going to have to plan a trip to look at that Film. It's good to know
that they go back to 1906 and that my 1911 entry point for my family is
still in the range for records available. I'm hopeful to find their
entry to the US. That would be so cool.

Arturo. . .yes I want to come look at that film. I wish my job let me
take days off when I wanted I would love just to take the 3rd off and
look at that film. Are you going to be around on the 3rd? I really
shouldn't take the day off but I'll be in DC on the 4th anyway for the
parade and it would be a shame to waste the long trip. If I were to come
how would we look through that film? Do you think we could set up the
digital camera and rip through a lot of pages as in every Olague, Diaz,
Puentes, and whatever other surnames you have requests for? If the film
wasn't massive in size (or is it several films for this time period) we
really could just take the camera shots and sort things out leisurely
later. How do you propose we work together if I decide to come for a
visit to that film(s)?

Let me know if you're going to be around and I'll try to figure how to
get the day off.

What time do the National Archives close on the 3rd?

Also my National Archives card has expired so I'll have to go through
the sign up session for a new one.

joseph

Emilie Garcia wrote:

>Arturo,
>
>I am one that had made a request of you for look-ups at your NARA. In the meantime, I wrote to Suzanne Harris and she is currently trying to find that information for me on my father, Guadalupe Olague who came to Colorado through El Paso in 1913. She had no information on my husband's grandfather, Primitivo Garcia or his great-grandfather Simon Garcia who came to El Paso around 1895. She said the records she has do not go back that far. Apparently the records only go back to 1906 (for El Paso, TX and Columbus, NM crossings).
>
>Emilie Garcia
>Port Orchard, WA ---
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