By Karr Wolfe |

Holá, mis amigos.

My name is John Karr Wolfe, usually called Karr, and I am an American-born
son of a Mexican immigrant mother, a Romo from Guadalajara/Tepatitlán. My
father is from the American Midwest. In order to try to link my family back
to the origins of the Romo de Vivar clan, I joined Nuestros Ranchos a month
ago, but then got called out of retirement to do some consulting. I’m back
home now and eager to learn more about my family history.

I am relatively new to genealogic research and have used family
documents/photos, ancestry.com, and various internet sources to get started
on tracing my roots on the Romo side. I have come to an impasse with my GGG
grandfather José de los Santos Romo de Vivar, born in Villa de Encarnación,
Jalisco (later known as Encarnación de los Díaz). The town was also known
as La Villa de Nuestra Señora de la Encarnación de Macías until 1824, and
even earlier, as el puesto del Sauz de los Macías, a wayside stop at what
was most likely a cattle-ranch, “Rancho Viejo” on the Camino Real between
Mexico and Santa Fé, .

According to his granddaughter, Don José de los Santos Romo de Vivar was
born on 2 Nov 1837 to Pablo Romo Villalobos and Ascepción [sic] Cornejo
Díaz. He married María Guadalupe Pedroza (most likely in Encarnación) on 29
May 1861 and eventually moved to Tepatitlán de los Morelos, Jalisco, where
he established the town’s only botica (apothecary shop). He is said to
have been instrumental in starting construction on the Santuario de
Guadalupe and in the development of sewage and drainage systems for the city
of Tepatitlán. Upon the death of Santos (year unknown, but after 1877), his
wife, M. Guadalupe Pedroza, took over the apothecary shop and ran it until
she died, leaving it to her daughter, Guadalupe “Lupe” Dávila (born to M.
Guadalupe’s second husband, Alberto Dávila, whom she married on 29 Sep
1884).

There is a street in Tepatitlán called Santos Romo, which family tradition
claims is named after my GGG grandfather. Although several relatives have
testified to this, and I have a photo of a street sign, no-one has actually
confirmed the authenticity of the claim by examining records in “Tepa.”

I have a copy of a letter written by his wife, listing their 8 children,
born between 1863 and 1877. My great grandfather, José de Jesús Romo, was
the third son and fifth child. He was born in Encarnación on 14 Oct 1871
and was a rancher. Although he is said to have continued to own the land
near Tepatitlán and run the family business, at some point he moved his wife
and children to Guadalajara, Jalisco. In 1917, the family emigrated to
Fresno, California, apparently leaving most of the ranch in the hands of the
eldest son, my grandfather Moisés J Romo, who eventually sold the family
business and followed his father and siblings to Fresno. Unfortunately,
there is no record of the name of the rancho.

Curiously, the name Romo de Vivar pops up irregularly in the family,
presumably because some family members were more interested in tracing their
lineage to Spanish nobility than others. My branch of the family has been
called simply Romo for at least 3 generations.

I would appreciate any information anyone has uncovered about this family,
including the names Romo, Romo de Vivar, Villalobos, Cornejo and Díaz, all
apparently residents of Encarnación, Jalisco during the first half of the
19th century. And I will pass along any more information that I uncover, as
well. I am building a public tree on ancestry.com, which will show you
everything I have learned so far about these families. It is the
“Romo/Vázquez Family Tree.”

Thanks for your time!

Karr Wolfe

Richard R. Esparza

14 years 8 months ago

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Hello Everyone,

I am Richard R. Esparza and I live in Escondido, CA. My family comes from
the Hacienda El Carro in the State of Zacatecas. The town of Villa Gonzalez
Ortega was founded on a portion of the Hacienda by my great grandfather,
Francisco Esparza Esparza. I have travelled there twice, 2002 and 2007 and
I have met many family members. My grandfather moved our family to San
Antonio, TX in 1910 and while he returned in the 1920’s, nobody kept in
touch with our family in Mexico until I was able to contact them in 2000.
My grandfather is buried with his father and ½ brothers and sisters in Villa
Gonzalez Ortega.

I have had much success tracing the family of my paternal great, great
grandmother, Maria Benita Esparza Pedrosa, she was baptized 08 Jan 1827 in
El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico. I have traced her
family back five generations to Juan Ruiz de Esparza 17 Nov 1652. However I
have been unsuccessful in finding a birth record for her son, Francisco
Esparza Esparza (who died 1916) or any record for his father Leandro
Esparza, who we know worked as a mayordomo on Hacienda El Carro? So my main
interest is in tracking down Leandro Esparza’s genealogy.

I am also interested in learning more about the family of my paternal great
grandmother, Maria Nestora Alonzo. She was very young when my grandfather,
Gustavo Esparza Alonzo (25 Mar 1875) was born and she and Francisco Esparza
Esparza were not married. I have my grandfather’s birth record from El
Carro (Villa Gonzalez Ortega.) I do not have a birth record for Nestora,
but I know that she came from Ojo Caliente and that her parents were Antonio
Alonzo and Diaminiana Lopez. I do have a birth record for her younger
brother, Aurelio Alonzo Lopez, 19 Nov 1870, baptized at Purisima Concepcion
de Los Angeles, Noria de Angeles, Zacatecas, Mexico. (I believe that this
was also part of El Carro.) Aurelio and Nestora both went to San Antonio,
TX and are buried there in San Fernando cemetery #1. He ran a restaurant at
the same address for over 20 years in San Antonio, TX.

Maria Nestora Alonzo married Hermenejildo Mendez, 30 Sep 1878, El Carro.
They moved to San Antonio, TX and I am also trying to track down their
family members in San Antonio, TX. I just learned of this marriage in July
1910.

I am also interested in learning more about the history of the hacienda
system and Mexican history in general. I have recently been studying
Mexican history. I retired in 2002 after a 30 year career as a museum
director. I do not speak Spanish (I have spent much of my life trying to
learn.) However, I am able to translate documents and I have people who
will help me, my oldest daughter is fluent! I am pleased to be a member of
this group.

Sincerely,

Richard R. Esparza

I don't know if you still read messages from the forum or are interested in something I found. I had to look some films up recently and since you are also a Villalobos I wanted to see what I could find. I looked up the marriage of José Gregorio Romo de Vivar with María de los Dolores Villalobos in Lagos de Moreno 04 Sep 1793. Her parentes were Joseph Manuel de Villalobos, of the Mesa of the Villalobos, and María Josepha de Aranda who married 13 February 1773 in Santa María de Los Lagos, Jalisco. His parents were Bartolomé de Villalobos and Gertrudis González. I can't find their marriage info though. However, I have found most of the ancestors of María Josepha de Aranda. I have more details on this info so let me know if you want it. Our ancestry converges with Luis Moreno de Ortega González de Hermosillo.

# Generation 1
* 1 - María Josepha de Aranda Moreno 1745

# Generation 2
* 2 - Francisco Javier Aranda Murguia 1722
* 3 - Barbara María Moreno de Ortega Hernández Gamino 1719

# Generation 3
* 4 - Manuel Aranda Muñoz de Xerez
* 5 - Cecilia Murguía Díaz Infante
* 6 - Juan de Dios Moreno de Ortega Alcalá 1689
* 7 - Rosa María Ignacia Hernández Gamiño

# Generation 4
* 8 - Diego de Aranda Puelles
* 9 - Mariana Muñoz de Xerez Gómez de Portugal
* 10 - Nicolás Murguía
* 11 - María Díaz Infante Villegas
* 12 - Luis Moreno de Ortega González de Hermosillo 1667
* 13 - Teresa de Alcalá y Hurtado de Mendoza 1670

# Generation 5
* 16 - Pedro de Aranda
* 17 - Petronila Puelles y Villavicencio
* 18 - Nicolás Muñoz de Xerez
* 19 - Josefa Gómez de Portugal y Flores de la Torre
* 24 - Nicolás Moreno de Ortega Villegas ca 1629-1701
* 25 - Mariana González de Hermosillo González Florida ca 1641
* 26 - Carlos de Alcalá y Hurtado de Mendoza
* 27 - Ana García de Lara 1645-1724

# Generation 6
* 38 - Diego Gómez Portugal Arrona †
* 39 - Isabel Flores de la Torre Carrillo
* 48 - Alonso Moreno de Ortega ca 1605-1647
* 49 - Josefa Villegas Rodas ca 1607-1666
* 50 - Juan González de Hermosillo Muñoz ca 1591-1666
* 51 - Ana González Florida ca 1594-1672
* 52 - Juan Lucas de Alcalá y Orozco
* 53 - Juana Aviña y Hurtado de Mendoza 1616
* 54 - Juan Vázquez Zermeño Lara 1615-1672
* 55 - María Teresa Anda Altamirano y Ruiz de Nava

# Generation 7
* 76 - Diego Gómez Portugal y López 1566-1635
* 77 - María García de Miranda †
* 78 - Fernando Flores de la Torre Anda Altamirano
* 79 - Ana Álvarez Carrillo de Sandi
* 96 - Nicolás Moreno de Ortega
* 97 - ? ?
* 98 - Hernando de Villegas ca 1563
* 99 - Inés López de Nava y López Muñiz ca 1570
* 100 - Juan González de Hermosillo Rodríguez 1572
* 101 - María Muñoz †
* 102 - Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio 1551
* 103 - Ana González Florida 1555
* 104 - Juan de Alcalá y Zamora
* 105 - Leonor Tovar de Orozco
* 106 - Juan de la Mora Mendoza
* 107 - Francisca Ochoa Garibay
* 108 - Martín Vásquez Zermeño †
* 109 - Ana García de Miranda †
* 110 - Juan de Anda Altamirano y González de Castañeda 1595-1632
* 111 - Juana Ruiz de Nava 1593-1677

# Generation 8
* 152 - Juan de Portugal
* 153 - Catalina López Muñiz
* 154 - Juan de Arrona †
* 155 - Angelica María García †
* 156 - Diego Flores de la Torre Velasco
* 157 - Beatríz de Anda Altamirano y González de Castañeda
* 158 - Alvaro Carrillo
* 159 - María Álvarez de Sandi
* 196 - Francisco Solano Calderón de Villegas 1533
* 197 - Francisca Jiménez Altamirano 1535
* 198 - Juan López de Nava 1535
* 199 - Inés López Muñiz 1555
* 200 - Juan González de Hermosillo
* 201 - Ana Rodríguez de Madaleno
* 204 - Diego González de la Vega 1525
* 205 - María Rubio 1530
* 208 - Juan de Alcalá
* 209 - Isabel de Zamora
* 210 - Juan Lucas de Morcillo
* 211 - Isabel Tovar de Orozco
* 212 - Manuel de la Mora
* 213 - Juana Aviña Hurtado de Mendoza
* 214 - Diego Ochoa Garibay
* 215 - Juana Núñez de Sotomayor
* 216 - Juan Vásquez Perea
* 217 - Elvira Gil de Lara
* 218 => 154
* 219 => 155
* 220 - Pedro de Anda Altamirano 1551
* 221 - Beatríz González de Castañeda 1556
* 222 - Alonso Lorenso Guerra 1557-1604
* 223 - María de Nava

Armando

Estimado Armando:

Por casualidad no tendrías más información sobre la ascendencia de los siguientes:

Bartolomé de Villalobos y Gertrudis González.

Nicolás de Murguía, primer de su nombre

Rosa María Ignacia Hernández Gamiño.

Todos antemencionados en tu mensaje anteror.
¿Eres descendiente de Pedro de Aranda y Petronila de Puelles? Eres miembro del antiguo y solar de la Piscina?

Daniel Méndez Camino

Estimado Daniel,

Yo no tengo mas sobre la ascendencia de esas personas.

No soy descendiente de Pedro de Aranda y Petronila de Puelles. Lo son John Karr Wolfe, Celestino Villalobos, una tía politica mia qepd y muchas otras personas de Lagos de Moreno. Mi vínculo con John Karr Wolfe es como había dicho, por medio de Luis Moreno de Ortega González de Hermosillo.

Armando

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